23. Astrology, Purpose & the Natal Chart as Your Soul Manual with Danielle Polgar

In this conversation, Jess sits down with astrologer and transformational counselor Danielle Polgar to explore how astrology can help us remember who we are, why we’re here, and how to move through big life transitions with more grace.

They begin with Danielle's story: secretly discovering astrology at 12 in a Christian bookstore, hiding her fascination from her religious community, and eventually leaving the church to claim a more expansive spiritual path. From there, astrology became the thread weaving together her counseling work, spiritual practice, and understanding of human development.

Together, Jess and Danielle dive into the natal chart as a mirror rather than a mandate — a map that reflects our inner world, our emotional needs, communication style, values, and the unique frequency we bring to life. They talk about purpose beyond job titles, distinguishing between professional calling and soul purpose, and how the Midheaven, IC, and nodal axis can all speak to different layers of why we’re here.

The conversation also moves through Saturn returns, the Uranus opposition and “midlife crisis” as a potential midlife awakening, and Chiron as the bridge between our deepest wound and our greatest medicine. They explore how astrology can help us navigate these cycles consciously instead of feeling like life is happening to us.

Recorded under a Full Moon in Gemini, Jess and Danielle close by reflecting on this moment in time: the mental noise versus deeper truth, the pull toward curiosity and honesty, and the importance of quieting down as we move toward the Winter Solstice and a new energetic chapter.

In this episode, we explore:

• Danielle's journey from Catholic/born-again roots to intuitive astrologer and counselor
• Finding astrology “by accident” and recognizing it as a familiar language
• How the natal chart works as a mirror of the inner world (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars & beyond)
• The difference between professional purpose (Midheaven) and soul purpose (North Node)
• The nodal axis as a spiral of growth, not a binary of “good” vs “bad”
• Saturn return as an initiation into adulthood and inner authority
• Uranus opposition as a midlife awakening rather than a midlife crisis
• Chiron as the archetype of the wounded healer and bridge between worlds
• The Full Moon in Gemini and what this energy can illuminate around truth, communication, and curiosity
• Using astrology as a compassionate tool to work with your energetic blueprint instead of against it

This episode is for anyone who feels in-between: between identities, life chapters, belief systems, or versions of themselves — and wants a language to understand that process more deeply.

Find Danielle below: 

Website: www.daniellepolgar.com 

Substack: https://substack.com/@daniellepolgar 

Instagram: @danielle_polgar

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Danielle, thank you so much for being with us today. Um, I'm really excited to have this conversation about astrology, especially uh while we are experiencing a full moon in Gemini. We're gonna actually um turn around and post this pretty quickly. So uh, you know, it's big energy right now, and I'm just excited to pick your brain on all things. So I want to just start by turning it over to you. You know, what um tell us your story. You know, how did you get to where you are today where, you know, astrology has become such a big part of your life?

Speaker: 0:32

Awesome. Well, thanks so much for having me. It's so great to be here. It's so great to meet you and connect with you via threads. Um, and yeah, let's see, where do I start? I mean, honestly, astrology came to me. Um, I feel like for a lot of people, that's it's not like we're seeking it out. It comes to us. And I I discovered it for the first time when I was 12 in a Christian bookstore of all places. And I found this book on druidry and tarot and astrology. And basically it was a book telling people why they shouldn't be interested in these things because it's the work of the devil and all this stuff. And I was so intrigued. I couldn't put it down and I was like, what is this? This feels so familiar to me. And so it was like my little personal secret that I got into and, you know, I kind of studied behind the scenes. Um, and it really wasn't until my early 20s that I dug deeper into it, you know, besides sun sign astrology. Um, and then and during my Saturn return, I was actually gifted an astrology reading because I was going through such a crazy experience. And that experience was like this aha moment of like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to do what this person's doing. And so um, yeah, I started grad school for counseling and I went on that path and started weaving in astrology into my counseling work, and I've been doing that for 12 years. So um, which is a Jupiter cycle. So I'm like, you know, growing into the next phase of that.

unknown: 2:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Wow. That's so cool. It's um like I see a lot of the world through the lens of like past life regression work and you know, whether you, you know, believe it or not, it's uh that moment. I mean I'm feeling that moment in the Christian bookstore when you're opening up the book and it feels so familiar. It's like I'm just seeing like patterns of, you know, that you've accumulated over the years, maybe. And it was like just one of those intuitive connections where you're like, this feels right. Um did you have to like hide it like from everyone, like when you were younger?

Speaker: 2:38

That that interest wasn't like it was definitely discouraged. I mean, I well, I should name that I was raised a Catholic and then I became a born-again Christian when I was nine, which blew my mother's mind. She was like, You're not a born-again Christian, you're a Catholic. And I was like, Well, actually I am, but whatever. And it was this whole battle. Um, but you know, she allowed it, but I didn't share with her that I was, you know, interested in astrology. And I certainly didn't share with any of my church friends at the time that I was um, you know, interested in that. But I wound up leaving the church as it was when I was 14, you know, Saturn opposition and claiming my own sense of spirituality. Um, even though I did actually go to a Catholic high school and a Jesuit university. And my spiritual path, you know, has evolved since through psychedelics and studying other religions and, you know, um, just other spiritual paths. And it's more of an amalgam of a lot of different things, you know, kind of more zoomed out rather than identifying with one core theme. So, but I will say that, you know, astrology seems to be the the common thread or like the back, the backdrop to everything that, you know, I like the lens through which I'm perceiving life.

Speaker 1: 3:53

Yeah. That's so fascinating too that you had such a strong sense of intuition and such a strong like conviction at that age to follow that path. Like, okay, so for somebody who, you know, hears about astrology and they're like, is this um, is this for me? Am I supposed to follow it or not? Like, how do you see it working like with or against like religious teachings that they might have? Like there is there space for both?

Speaker: 4:22

I think there is, honestly. I mean, if we take out kind of the programming or the conditioning that we impose on everything as good or bad, and instead get curious about what is this here to teach us or what is this reflecting about our natural world? I mean, if God created the stars and the planets, why would that be considered a bad thing to be aware of, right? Like there must be some purpose behind it. And uh, you know, through just what I know about astrology, it's like kind of the first tool that we had to try to understand our relationship to what this is. What is life? Why are we here? You know, and to ask these bigger questions and to also track natural cycles and patterns and human behavior in alignment with that. So um, you know, I mean, I of course there's a lot to say about what has happened in our collective consciousness since the origination of, you know, organized religion. But I think astrology got kind of got thrown to the side as like, you know, we can't practice these things because we want people to believe in this one path. And that myopic view, unfortunately, um just omits a lot of potential with the chart, um, or not just the chart, not just an individual's birth chart, but the potential of um being in alignment with natural nature and the cosmic forces that are around us. So I don't, I don't think it's like an either-or conversation. It's a both and. I mean, that's how I look at it. And um I mean, the the magi who went to look for Jesus anyways, they were astrologers. They were using the stars. So, you know, who's to say that why why is that the work of the devil or like a bad method of um or tool? You know what I mean? So it's just, I think, kind of unraveling or unlearning that conditioning that we received.

Speaker 1: 6:24

Right, right. Yeah. I mean, it's um astrology is such like an intuitive art. And it's, you know, there was just like this this time where anything intuitive that like allowed us to connect more deeply within ourselves was like denounced, right? Um yeah, it's but I remember like, well, again, again, through like this lens of past life regression, we we talk about how, you know, and some of the teachings will say like that a soul might choose to enter into the world based on like the astrological conditions to help you like work through the karma or patterns that you're gonna like work through in this lifetime. And you know, just like on an individual level, I remember finding astrology through like horoscopes when I was younger and just always feeling connected to the energy that was um, you know, at play at the time. But I don't think it was until I understood my NATO chart and my rising sign that I really connected to astrology because um, like I'm a Scorpio sun and I am um deep. I think that you know, some of that like societal programming and conditioning over the years maybe like detached me from that depth that was like available. But I'm I'm a Sag rising, Sagittarius Rising, and that was for me like just explained so much about my like curiosity to learn and like teach in unconventional ways and why travel feels so expansive. And um, so it was really like the natal chart and starting to understand those pieces that I was like, okay, this really, really makes sense to me now. Like I really like, I feel like I could just sort of dive into each of these placements and a whole story would unfold about myself, you know, like if I went into it sort of um without fear. So I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about just like NATO chart like overview, right? So it doesn't have to be like super basic, but just sort of like what what is the magic that lives in the NATO chart?

Speaker: 8:32

Yeah. Cool. That's a great question. Well, something I just want to um circle back to is what you named about, you know, the intuitive connection with astrology, right? And also how we have again been conditioned to not source from within. Um, even though, you know, let's say even just in Christianity, like Jesus is like, you know, the kingdom of God is within me. Then you two. Like all the answers that we seek externally actually exist within us. But what astrology can really provide is that reflection of what exists within. So that's how I use it. Like the natal chart and the the planetary placements and the size that they're in and the aspects that they're making are really just a reflection or a mirror image of what's internally experienced by the individual. So it's kind of just a tool for externalization. It's like, oh, I see myself. I can see myself through this, and I can know myself through this. Um, so you know, obviously, um, sun sign astrology is, you know, primary in terms of like what we know about ourselves as a soul and our identity and and how we shine our light into the world. So, you know, you're born in the season of where the sun is, and that's an important component in our solar-oriented system here. But, you know, there's so many other parts of us. We're multidimensional, uh, multifaceted people. So when you look at the chart, you see that, oh wow, there's a lot more to me than just that sun sign. There's also my moon. And that speaks to my inner emotional life and um how I was nurtured or not in my early childhood experiences and what are my needs, right? How do I feed myself physically, metaphorically, et cetera? And then there's Mercury, which is how we communicate, how we, you know, um learn, how we take in information and make sense of the world around us and connect with other people through dialogue. Um, and then there's Venus, which is like our values, our love language, um, our relationship with money and giving and receiving also um Mars is how we take action, how we assert ourselves, how we go after what we want. And um, and then we get into the more of the social planets like Jupiter and Saturn, and those are more, you know, related to people in our age group, and then the collective planets are more people who span a certain, you know, amount of time in terms of um like a generation, generational planets. And when we see how they're all configured, we see that we're all made of the same stuff, right? But it's how it's configured that creates the unique expression of who we are, as far as like a soul, as far as a frequency, you know, in the symphony of life. You know, what's the vibration? What's the frequency that we're emitting? What are we bringing to life and how important that really is, right? Like if there's a missing note in something or it's out of tune, like you can tell sometimes, like when you're listening to a piece of music. And um I think that the natal chart really provides this insight into what we were talking about a little earlier of like, am I in alignment with the curriculum that I was given in this lifetime or that I'm choosing, hypothetically speaking, or am I not, right? Like, am I living my truth, or am I trying to fit into someone else's truth that really isn't designed for me? Um, and I think, you know, life is what it is. It's like people tell you how to be. You do this, you do that, you do this, you do that, you'll be a success. But a lot of us struggle with that because it's like, well, gosh, I don't know. That doesn't feel right to me. That doesn't land. And I think the chart just really brings us back into that relationship with the truth of who we are at our core on a soul level. And so um it's really validating and empowering. You know, it's just mostly like I tell people, you know, when they're coming specifically for a chart reading, I'm like, I'm not here to tell you who you are, you know who you are, but it will validate what you already know to be true for yourself.

Speaker 1: 12:56

And there's power in love how you described it like um like like music when you when there's like maybe a note out of tune, it's sort of like that's the that's the point that you sort of tune into because when something's just like a little bit off, you know, you can um, you know, through astrology would be like one way that you could just be like, okay, where what is that pointing me to? And what do I need to like look into a little bit more, right? Something just feels off, and there's so much. I know it can be like overwhelming for some people, but there's so many ways and like archetypal energies, but like it can get pretty specific, right? Like once you start talking about like houses and aspects, and you know, it's just like there's there's so many different ways to look at it, but it really can get specific in helping you understand like core parts of yourself. Okay, so then if today we're going to talk about um, I wanted to pick your brain especially just about like astrology through the lens of finding purpose, right? And and it could be um, I think it could, it could be like NATO chart astrology, it could be curtain transits, like any of the above, all of the above are great. What would you say are the placements that give you, like can give someone the most aha moments when it comes to like purpose or identity?

Speaker: 14:14

Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of I think good to even ask, what do we mean by purpose?

Speaker 1: 14:20

Yeah.

Speaker: 14:21

You know, um, because I think a lot of people get hung up on what am I here to do in the world, like professionally? Because that's what we that's the first question or one of the first questions we ask people is like, Hi, how are you? What do you do? Right. And it's like, what do I do? Right. But like I think that's where that idea and that notion of purpose um it is, or that's how it's defined in our Western society, right? Um, so from that context, I would look to the mid-heaven, which is the highest part of the natal chart, which basically speaks to, you know, how we're showing up in the public realm um and also the legacy that we're here to leave, like how we how we're gonna be remembered by people. And um, it actually opposes the lower part of our chart, um, which is the nadir or the IC, and that speaks to, you know, who we are at our core and where we're coming from, like the roots of our being and what made us who we are, to then bring that, you know, medicine, wisdom, insight, gift to the world. So um that's one way of looking at it. Another way we could consider purpose is through the nodal axis, which is more of like a soul purpose rather than what we're here here to do in a professional sense, making money, et cetera. Though I will say some people in their natal charts have their nodal axis connected to, you know, their mid-heaven or like somewhere prominent in their chart, like their 10th house, which will speak to something about the work that they're here to do that's also aligned with their soul's intention. And the way that I kind of think about the north note is more about like our um inner compass being guided towards what our soul wants to experience in this lifetime, not so much accomplish, but experience based on, you know, maybe potentially past life experiences, like things that we're coming to resolve, karma that we're coming to kind of um release or or shift in some way, but also maybe a tendency um that we are kind of unraveling, that we are shifting into kind of like the polar opposite expression. I mean, literally, you know. So the the north node is usually a growing edge, a place of wow, this feels really uncomfortable, but I also feel so alive when I step into my north node. And we don't actually fully step into the expression of that until after our Saturn return. Umce we become fully kind of um identified with our inner authority, and then we can, you know, further clarify that soul path moving forward. Um so, anyways, there's different timelines for all of this that you can track um because there's different periods of life that these cycles emerge, right? You know, so we could kind of go on and on and on about that.

Speaker 1: 17:29

Yeah. Okay. So I think that it's really important to um, and while we're talking, I'm pulling up my um, I'm pulling up my chart because I have questions as we go. Um so I can pull up your chart. Oh yeah, yeah, you can. Yeah. But I do, okay, before we go there, I wanna I do want to clarify purpose because I think that maybe I got a little bit ahead of myself. I think that that's a really important point. I think that well, all of the work that I do is through the lens of like that soul purpose. And I think that's a really good distinction to make, but I really also like that you spoke to both because purpose, like I don't see I think that there's confusion. Purpose can mean different things to different people, but I don't think purpose should be like your job and you know, it it shouldn't be the um the title that you have and what you're like achieving. There can be, I think, alignment as you mentioned, but it's sort of like that the soul level purpose is like when you peel back all of those layers of conditioning and you get at like who you are at your core, like what is the way that you want to interact with the world and impact your world and what are the things that light you up, you know? So I think like um wherever you feel called to speak to both types of purpose, I think that that's amazing. Um, but if we picked a focus area, I would pick that like soul purpose. Yeah. I see purpose. How do you see it?

Speaker: 19:04

Yeah, I I think that that's the north note. That's the part um that's pulling us on to our highest expression. And I think everything in spirals, you know, it's like we're we're in in the evolution of our consciousness, we're working through a spiral. And we come back to the same material again and again, but through the lens of an, you know, an evolved consciousness or a new perspective, you could say, not to make it good or bad, you know, um, but you're coming up the spiral. And I do see the nodal axis as that spiral where we're, you know, naturally evolving to the next level of awareness and expression of our full potential. Um, and it's not so much, you know, I think that there's this idea with the nodal axis that your south node is something that you're leaving behind. Some sense that's true, but it's also something you're integrating into your the being of who you are. Not we're not here to cut parts of ourselves off. We're here to become more whole, right? I think. And so by integrating those um parts of ourselves, South Node, those tendencies, the things that are familiar to us, we can move into, you know, a different level of awareness of of what's possible in the whole expression of our being, so that um all of our, you know, our the essence of who we are can be honored and you know can can come through. Um, but again, I feel that the the north note is something that when we start, I kind of think of this uh metaphor of a zipper, when we start to really anchor into that, it's like having a stuck zipper start to move, or you're like working it, working it, working it, and then you're like, oh my god, okay, good, I got it. That's a cool way to explain that. It's a feeling, you know? Yeah. So you know when you're in it because you feel more alive, your soul feels more present and more expressed, fully expressed.

Speaker 1: 21:14

Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Um, yeah, I think that's really cool. I think it's like, I think I see like your view is so much more expansive than mine. In my limited view, it's like I see the south node as like my comfort zone where I just feel pulled to when I'm like like following my like fear cues, you know. But like when I'm ready to grow and push my edges like through like the fear signals that are sort of showing up, I know that I'm like following my path on my north note. That's like the growth edge that I'm supposed to follow. And it's like the comfort zone is still important, it's still a safe place, but like when you're ready for growth, you have to kind of redirect. And and I love I love the imagery of the spiral. I think that's um I I yeah, I hadn't connected the two, and I think that's really cool. Yeah, okay. You were oh, go ahead.

Speaker: 22:15

Yeah, I I don't disagree with you. I think it is a comfort zone. Like maybe I I don't know if this is helpful, but like um through the context of like inner child work or internal family system work, which is a huge component of what I do, not in the the language that they use. I use it more through the language of astrology, but you know, the comfort zone comes from our childhood experiences, like our survival strategies, things that came naturally to us, right? What we want to do as we're growing on that edge, right, and growing into our full potential and our purpose is to not say, no, we're not doing that, you know, in like a rejection kind of way, but more like showing up for our inner child child or children in the way of saying, Yeah, I know we used to do that, but we don't do that anymore. Come with me, I got you. We're going this way, right? Like it's more about bringing that part with us on the journey and knowing that that can be present too, you know? It's like it doesn't, again, that doesn't have to be like an either or, it can be a both. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 23:28

Yeah, it does. That makes a lot of sense. I love that. Um, I did I love that shift. So you mentioned Saturn return, and you mentioned like there are points in life where um like astrology kind of, I can't remember the actual words that you use, but can you talk a little bit about what some of those points are and like just like why they're important? Like you talked about um Saturn return, Uranus opposition is another one.

unknown: 23:54

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:54

Tell us a little bit more about what those mean.

Speaker: 23:56

Sure. Yeah. I mean, what is astrology, but studying cycles and patterns, right? And um, because of where planets are located in their relationship to the earth, which the natal chart is an egocentric and ecocentric model. So what we see are the planets operating in, you know, a well, if you're looking at a chart, a counterclockwise direction around the earth, around the person. And they all have their own cycle of time. And that, you know, this is a tool that helps us track time. And so there are certain developmental processes that happen at different stages of, let's use Saturn, for example. Saturn takes about seven to eight years to make its way a quarter around our chart. And then, you know, every seven years we have a Saturn transit that initiates us to a new level of our maturity and self-authorship. So by the time we're around 28 to 30, we have what's called our Saturn return, which is, you could say, um, an initiation into adulthood. And what Saturn represents is maturity, responsibility, commitment, um, discipline, patience, perseverance, and also the cutting away or the pruning away of anything that's not essential to our inner truth. Right. So it's often a period of time where people grow up in some capacity and they have to make very serious decisions, whether that's getting married or having children or buying a home or getting a divorce or going to grad school or losing a parent or you know, whatever it is, there's a sense of I'm not a child anymore. Life isn't forever, and I have to take my life more seriously, right? What am I committing to? And um, my Saturn return was like, I had a lot of other transits happening at the same time that made it very intense. So it was like, whoa, it was like mind blowing. Um, but not everybody's Saturn return is like that. Some of it is just anchoring us more deeply into our path or our purpose and um kind of organizing our lives in a more constructive way. But then there are other transits that happen. You know, we have our uh like um our Uranus opposition, for example, that happens between like 41 to 43. And that's when Uranus comes to oppose the place that it was when you were born. So um I see this as like a pivotal turning point in people's lives where um if you're not living in alignment with, you know, your unique essence, it's time to change something radically, like turn something around that um, yeah, like isn't, you know, expressing who you truly are, your unique genius, or you know, how you came here to do things differently from other people. And for some people, that can be, you know, termed the midlife crisis, where people are like, oh my God, I have to like leave this career or I have to shave my head, or you know what it is. It could be something radically uh like a radical shift that frees people from a way of being that um no longer serves them because they're entering into a new phase of you know their unique expression. So um I kind of like see it almost as like our poles, our inner poles shifting during that time.

Speaker 1: 27:36

You are you in your your I mean if you feel the energy for how long would you say you feel the energy for before and after?

Speaker: 27:44

Personally, because I have Uranus as a big player in my natal chart, I tend to feel things before they're coming, like well before. So um, I mean, I use a two to three degree or, but you could go up to five degrees, which would be give you like you know, a year or so before year maybe two.

Speaker 1: 28:03

Yeah, yeah. So I think I think it will be direct like next summer, late summer. So um, but I think I feel things really early too, like big shifts. I think I've been feeling this for a little while now. Um, I don't feel like it's uh a new thing for me, but I've I've been feeling it. And I I think like the more I like okay, so if you think if it could be a couple years, up to two years before, right? And it's a it's a big window, that's sort of almost like a would you say it could be like a three or four year window that somebody could be feeling this like shift. And I think right now there's so much that's just been changing in the world, and you know, this like I feel like collective awakening happening, and it's sort of um, I think there's a lot of people that are experiencing this and it's it's causing them to sort of, I mean, in this age range, right? But go inward and say, like, I am out of alignment, right? They they're not saying that consciously, right? But like they're feeling that disalignment and they're searching for more, and they're searching for purpose and meaning, but they've built these lives based on, you know, some of that conditioning that said, like, you're supposed to sort of follow this map and this path, and now you're here and you're like, I don't even know what I built. Like, this is supposed to be success and happiness, and I should be so grateful, but like, dare I say, like, I don't want any of it. And like, and and of course, there are parts that we want, you know, like there, but like you just stop and wonder, like, how did I get here? And so I think that's a it's a really interesting point for people. Um, it's really, I think it can be really disruptive. And it's I think it comes down to like you just mentioned, that alignment thing, right? Where um if you aren't living in alignment with your truth, you'll feel it more, right?

Speaker: 30:00

Absolutely. And I think, you know, I don't I the planets aren't doing something to us, I think, right? Like part of what's happening and what we need to learn in that moment. Like what needs to be disrupted, what needs to be activated? How have we not gotten the message, you know, a couple of years before? Like we probably sensed it, but we didn't really, it's like we ignored it. So, do you need a giant wake-up call? Or can you really step up to the plate and be like, I know something needs to change and I'm gonna do it? And the way in which we show up to what's unfolding in our life makes all the difference. It, you know, it's all the difference between chaos and like excitement, you know, like liberating change. And so I think that's why knowing your chart and understanding what's happening and what's coming, not for like a bracing, you know, oh my gosh, my Neptune square, Neptune transit's happening, my, you know, Uranus opposition's coming up, Pluto square, Pluto, like all of these developmental transits, like how not bracing for them, but being aware of saying, like, wait, yeah, I know some change is coming. What might that look like for me? What do I feel like isn't really me anymore? Maybe I've outgrown something or someone, and I'm gonna be curious about that, you know? So it's um we don't have to like be smacked in the face all the time by these transits. We can actually kind of swim with the current rather than against it, and then it's not so disruptive, as you say, you know?

Speaker 1: 31:40

Yeah, it's like an energetic opportunity to like narrow the lens in onto like a certain point in your life to work through some things. Would you say that's true? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You named something earlier that I wanted to dive into a little bit because I think um I know a lot of my listeners are in this like Uranus opposition phase. And as much as I want to say Uranus, how you say it, Uranus, I can't stop. Well, no, I just can't. I feel like there's so many of us that say it so differently. And I'm like, it's such an ugly word, but I'm still gonna go with Uranus because that's it's just what I know. Yeah, be you so um, okay, so midlife awakening and midlife crisis. Um, I do think that midlife crisis is like the word that we kind of associate, you know, when we get to this point in midlife. And I think through my view, I think midlife crisis, it all kind of starts the same, but midlife crisis is sort of like a non-evolution of it, where you're like reacting based off of fear of aging and fear of the unknown, and so almost sort of just like reaching out in ways to stay young and and live in denial or whatever. But like midlife awakening happens when you take the opportunity and you go inward and you say, like, what's really not working here? What's like what do I need to shift so that I can work with my energetic blueprint, like versus against it? And so that's more of just like a this space of like acceptance and you know, self-love, um, collective love, like all of those things. Um, but so I think that astrology gives us then that blueprint to be able to follow. You know, it's like there's like this choice where you're like, something is changing, and I could go one of two ways. And when you go inward, I think astrology gives you that like path to just like investigate those like corners of your insides, right? Where you can just learn.

Speaker: 33:43

Yeah, it's like people say parents say this a lot. Um, oh, I wish I had a like like a life manual or a manual for this. And it's like, yeah, you have a needle chart. Everybody has one. That's your manual, you know? And and it's showing you who you uniquely are and your potential so that you don't get distracted by the way other people are doing it. Oh, this person, they're like super successful at 40. Why do I not have why haven't I gotten there yet? Right. And it gives us like more permission to fully be ourselves and to relax into, you know, our own evolutionary path. It's like, my time's coming, or maybe my path just looks different. And it's like I'm not here to have that type of success. I'm here to define for myself what success looks like, or whatever the story is, right? Um, because I mean, this world would be pretty boring if we were all here to do the same thing.

Speaker 1: 34:45

We're not all meant to work in the same ways. And like, I think of a real world example of what you're talking about. Um, in my former life, I was a real estate agent and a marketer. Um, sort of, I've had a lot of different, you know, iterations of myself. But in marketing and real estate, I would always be like, well, you know, this person's doing this to get, you know, more clients. And I genuinely just wanted to like help people transition to the next chapter of their life. Um, you know, I wasn't like a cold lead follower sort of person, but I'm like, well, this person's doing it and they're successful, so I probably should too. So you waste all of that energy, the money, the time, the whatever just to like follow the map that seems right. And it was like when I rooted inward and really understood my ability to connect with other people and my ability, you know, my ability to like maintain relationships is when I was able to sort of be like, okay, let's shift into like referral marketing only. And it's like, I think that there's so many applications that like my natal charts, what helped me really understand my strengths in connection and community and relationship. And um like when you take those, when you're able to sort of see whatever the, you know, whatever your reality is and the problems that you're like struggling with, I think when you can just go inward, the more you can go inward and narrow down like what works for you and your own like energetic blueprint, whatever the challenges are that you're facing in like a day-to-day, you know, basis, like you can find the path. You just have to be, you know, okay going inward. So um, yeah, that's uh I just think there's so many uses for it. So okay. How do you see what do you see as Chiron's role in this and evolution?

Speaker: 36:36

Yeah. Well, I shouldn't, I I for people who are listening, I don't know their um, you know, level of understanding of astrology, but Chiron isn't a planet, it's actually an asteroid. And its orbit is between Saturn, which represents this three-dimensional reality, and Uranus, which is the transpersonal reality. And it kind of serves as this bridge, archetypally speaking, of connecting us from, you know, with this world to our spiritual world. And the way in which we make that bridge is through our healing journey, which really originates at birth because we come from source, we're connected to source. And then once the umbilical cord is cut, we're just like, what the hell is going on? And we go on this journey of forgetting and remembering, literally, like remembering parts of ourself to bring ourselves back into wholeness and understand that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Right. So they're not actually separate, it's together. But we the the journey of Chiron and what Chiron represents in the natal chart is like this primal wound that tells us everybody else has it better than me. Why me? Um, there's something wrong with me. I don't understand this, I don't get this. Um, why am I here? Like, but in like a panic kind of sense. Um and, you know, we go on this journey of healing that wound, which of course, on some level is different for everybody based on the sign that it's in and the house that it's in in your chart. Um, and by the time Chiron comes around to its full um transit, which is about 50 to 51 years, 50 to 52 years, um, we glean the medicine and the wisdom of what that healing journey looks like so we can bring it to others and to teach and help others and guide others um in their remembering journey as well. So I think it's a really potent player in, you know, astrology in general. And I think it's even becoming more of a an important component in our evolutionary understanding of ourselves because we haven't even seen a full Chiron um experience yet since its uh discovery in 1977. So over the next like, you know, seven years, or maybe like 10 years, because you know, Chiron will return to uh Taurus, where it was when it was discovered. And um, I think then we'll really get an understanding of what it what like does holism really mean? What does holistic mean mean? Like in a greater sense, in an embodied sense, right? Because it's with Taurus. And um I think that's gonna be really illuminating for where we like, you know, transition into the next phase of our Chiron journey as a collective and how we see ourselves, not as these like earthly beings, but how we see ourselves as multidimensional spiritual beings on a planet. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 39:52

Yeah, it does. Yeah. Okay, so then how would you interpret? I think I have Chiron in Gemini. In my seventh house.

unknown: 40:02

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:03

How would you what would you tell someone with Chiron and Gemini in their seventh house what their like healing wound to healing journey might entail?

Speaker: 40:12

Well, okay, so Chiron in the seventh house, typically I see this in people who have a relational wound in some capacity, but potentially a a wound around their voice or like some type of thing around what they say. Um, like people don't hear me, or I don't have something important to say, or um maybe some wound around what you heard about relationship, like some sort of narrative around relationship that um, you know, you might be working to reprogram. But it's interesting because a lot of times I see Chiron in the seventh house and even the first house. It's like you're here to heal your own wound through the relationship, through that one-on-one dynamic, through relationship. And so you can kind of serve as a guide for people in um a healing capacity. So, like, as like my my husband even has this, and he's a medical intuitive and a chiropractor. And, you know, he really shows up for people to facilitate their healing. And so how you might do that is through the mind or like the words that you're using and the, you know, the dialogue that you have with your clients, especially because um do you work with clients in a one-on-one capacity? Okay. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I don't I never even asked that about you, but I would guess that you do. Um, and so Mercury's the ruling planet of Gemini. You have that in Sagittarius connected to right. So you're here to awaken people to a bigger picture about themselves and to potentially, you know, bridge something within their consciousness around um, you know, what they feel like is impeding maybe their connection with other people.

Speaker 1: 42:09

Yeah. Yeah. That's like it's spot on. It's I love that. Like um, the the the podcast, having this podcast has been a big part of my, yeah, my Chiron journey, just um learning, you know, overcoming a fear of using my voice and speaking my truth and helping other people find that within themselves. So thus like conversations like this. And um yeah, it's cool. It's uh one of my um one of my experiences recently was uh in a in a course I'm taking and a regression that I did, and I was like, I want to understand where my fear of using my voice originated. And it took me to like this um old European village where I was like a healer and an herbalist and helping people, but it had to be really secretive. And um, I was, you know, caught and executed for that. And, you know, as is the story for so many, so many uh women back then. But it was just um, yeah, it was cool to hear it through your lens to hear like, you know, and you and you share definitely different like angles that I hadn't thought about. So that was really cool.

Speaker: 43:20

Yeah, well, it's what's interesting about your chart right now, too, is that your nodal path is getting activated by Uranus. So you're still like integrating that. So it that might also be why you're feeling this Uranus revolutionizing energy or changing energy energy or like um pivoting, you know, liberating yourself from something related to that past life because your south node is in Scorpio in the 12th house, right? So there's something here that you're transforming. And it's like when you have a South Node in Scorpio, the past life might have been about survival. Like, I'm literally gonna get killed for this. And this life is not about that. This life is trusting that you you're safe, you know, you're here to experience safety and pleasure and to bring that into, you know, the practical, tangible reality and not be in hiding, like to really bring that out. And it's interesting because Mars is the ruling planet of your sun and that south node, and you have it in the third house of communication in Aquarius, and it's like there is something you're here to speak something into the world that's for the collective and give people that platform to also do the same, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:41

That's it's so cool because I think the thing that like just lights me up the most is being able to like connect with other people, let them share their stories, learn from their stories, but then like you know, create a space where other people can learn from the stories as well. And so um, yeah, I think it's um it's just really powerful.

Speaker: 45:01

Yeah, yeah, you're right on on track, it seems. So that's great. Discovered this about yourself, yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:08

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it took me a little, took me some trial and error to get here, that's for sure. But uh, but here we are. So okay, as we're speaking today, it is um, we're having a full moon in Gemini. And so I would love if you could um just share for the for the person who might be feeling that energy or feeling something and wondering what it is. Like what does that look like? Like what might they be experiencing?

Speaker: 45:36

Or yeah, well, you know, I don't want to just isolate one experience because it's like obviously there's so many things happening in the astrological um environment, you could say, or like in the astrological moment. Um, but the full moon in Gemini, I I think coming off the heels of a Mercury retrograde and we're still integrating that, um, still integrating Saturn, having station direct in Pisces, there's a lot of um potential for revelations to come to the surface for something to be illuminated around our thought process or how we're communicating. Um this particular full moon is in opposition to Mars. And I think it's squaring. Um, there's another, yeah, it's opposite, it's opposing Mars, um, which isn't the most comfortable, right? Like Mars energy is very cutting, it's very direct. Um, so there could be something that needs to be brought into our consciousness that, like, are you are you learning this? Are you hearing this, right? Um, and then we can take action on it. So, you know, yes, the full moon is happening today, but we're in this period of dissolving and restructuring so much of what we've been carrying with us for basically lifetimes, and we're moving into a new era completely in 2026. I know that that's like we say this all the time, like, oh, new year, new me, or like there's all these new things coming on the online, and you know, we're always having these deaths and deaths and rebirths, but this year in particular is really powerful because we're gonna have a Saturn um Neptune conjunction at the zero degree point of Aries, which is like a reset point for humanity and all of us as individuals. Um, zero degrees of Aries is the beginning of the zodiac. So we're having such a fresh start. And so if you, you know, are weighing options in your mind, um, you know, looking at what's what's the truth of the matter? Like, can I use that Mars directive cutting energy to really understand what my truth is in this moment and not to get you know caught up in distractions or um too much of the mental energy that sometimes Gemini can provide? I have a Gemini moon, so I'm just like and always processing. So I don't know if that clarifies it, but just to say that for anybody who's listening, um, there's so much water energy. Like, yes, this is a full moon in Gemini, which is an air sign, um, which speaks to the intellect and you know, communication, but there's so much in the feeling sense of where we're at, and so much connected to our intuition right now, that it is actually a really good time to get quiet. And to tune you've said it a lot, this um conversation, but like to tune inward um and just listen to the pull of where our soul is calling us forward. And only, you know, you or me will know exactly what that is. And this is not a time for us to make sense of it or to like choose things that make sense or are logical. It's more about leaning into something that feels almost um like we're taking a leap of faith, right? Like, I don't know why, but I feel called to this thing and to just stay curious about that. And that is one of the words associated with Gemini is curiosity. So, what can we be curious about? How can we, you know, hone in on what our truth is and also kind of clear the path of anything that's distracting us from accessing any of that, but also anything that's gonna um distract us from moving into the path that we're being called onto in this new year, because it is gonna be different, you know.

Speaker 1: 49:41

Oh my gosh, we're gonna have to talk about that again then. There's yeah, a lot that you dropped in that last like point. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm writing down everything. Like, we have to connect about this. Um, but I think like to your point about like release renewal, it's such a good time for that, just like in the year too, because you know, in like the um solar calendar, the sun will be reborn on the winter solstice. And you know, we're in that period of like leading up to that, like deep reflection, renewal, shedding all of it. And so it all just lines up that like you know, it is it's a really good time to just get quiet, you know, tune in and yeah, right.

Speaker: 50:18

Nature is doing that, but we don't have that design in our culture. It's just like you just keep going, and it's no, we need to slow down and and be present um to the silence because from the silence and from the void emerges everything.

Speaker 1: 50:35

Yeah. That's so beautiful. Oh my gosh, we're gonna end on that. That was the that was really yeah, amazing. Beautiful. Thank you so much for being with me today. Um, I've just enjoyed every part of this conversation and I'm excited to do it again.

Speaker: 50:51

Great, awesome. Thanks again for having me. It's been a joy.