18. Intuition: Where Science and Spirit Meet with Rebecca Koegel

From Gut Feeling to Guiding Force - In this episode of The Becoming You Project, Jess sits down with Rebecca Koegel (The Heart Led Revolution) -- a former big-firm attorney who walked away from the “perfect” career to follow her inner knowing. Together, they unpack what intuition is, where it comes from, and how to access it in real life (not just on a meditation cushion).

You’ll learn how the body speaks first and why nervous system regulation and emotional intelligence are the doorway to clearer guidance. We also zoom out to the consciousness spectrum (from everyday intuition to psychic hits, energetic resonance, and telepathy) and talk about staying grounded so the spiritual doesn’t become escapism.

Highlights:

• Practical ways to tune in: silence, nature, sensory detox, and daily micro-practices
• Intuition vs. anxiety: how your nervous system filters signals
• From people-pleasing to self-trust: Rebecca’s pivot from law to soul-led work
• Coherence, resonance, and why embodiment gives clarity to intuition
• How following your inner compass opens purpose, creativity, and flow

If you’ve ever wondered, Do I even have intuition? How do I hear it? -- this episode is a gentle, grounded roadmap to reconnecting. 

To connect with Rebecca, see the links below: 

Substack: https://heartledrevolution.substack.com/

Website: https://heartledrevolution.com

IG: @heart.led.revolution

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hey guys, welcome back. Today we're doing a deep dive into all things intuition. In this episode, I'm connecting with Rebecca Cagle. She runs The Heartled Revolution. She's a former attorney who basically walked away from everything to find her calling. And today she's like this powerhouse of information on intuition, among many other things, but that's where our conversation takes us today. So we dive into questions like where does intuition come from? How do I access it? Does everyone have access to it? We talk about, you know, how intuition speaks to us through our bodies and the importance of grounding and nervous system regulation, but then, you know, we take it to the whole, you know, opposite end of that spectrum where we talk about intuition through the lens of like consciousness and the spectrum that holds everything from intuition to like psychic experiences, telepathy, and more. So I love this conversation so much. And I think you will too. Let's dive in. All right, Rebecca, I am so happy to have you here with me today for this conversation. I want to just get started by turning it over to you right away. So you can just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got here.

Speaker: 1:23

Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited for this conversation. Um, let's see how I got here right at this point in my life. Having this conversation with you, it is because I lived my whole life not knowing who I was or understanding why I felt the things I felt, why I made the decisions that I made. Um I was a people pleaser as a kid. I now realize that I am an empath, that I'm an intuitive empath, but I didn't know that until about 10 years ago. And before then, I lived this life that from the outside looked very successful. But on the inside, I felt a lot of chaos and confusion and a lot of negative self-talk about who I am. And that led me to a place where I was on a spiritual journey. So about 10 years ago, I started this spiritual journey because of a dark night of the soul. I think this happens to a lot of people. You have a traumatic situation in your life, you're down on your knees begging for answers. Why did this happen to me? What is the meaning of all of this? And I had been asking that my whole life, actually, like, what is the meaning? What is the purpose? What are we doing here? Uh, just by nature, I'm existential. And when I started this healing journey, it took me into all sorts of different realms and pathways. Um, I think of it in terms of like exercise, you know, you're like, okay, I'm gonna get healthy and I'm I'm gonna start an exercise routine, but there are so many different types of exercise that you could start, right? That's the same way with healing and spirituality. It's like, well, well, what thing catches your attention and what podcast draws you to the next idea and that sort of thing. And so I went through this really long process. And in that healing of getting to know and understand myself, I realized that my intuitive nature has been there all along and like my inquisitive nature and my curiosity. So going back to what I was saying about my outside life being really successful from the outside is I I did really well in school. I studied art history in undergrad, and then I went to law school for art, museum, law, and cultural, cultural property. I did really well there as well. And then I ended up working in a big firm. And when you that's like those coveted jobs that everybody wants. They want to go work in the big firms because where all the money is and the prestige and all the good clients and and all of that kind of thing. And um, you know, I was making six figures when I was 25. And I was like, I've arrived, I've achieved all of my goals. And I did that for about eight years, and I will say that I was miserable for for most of them. And it wasn't that the work itself wasn't an alignment. I I love the work. I'm a very intellectual person. I love to think, I love to read, I love to analyze. Um, it's actually being a lawyer is really important because you have to synthesize a lot of information together. And on the spiritual journey, that has also opened up so many realms for me. Like that ability to read a bunch of different ideas and concepts and see the patterns between them. And so when I was there, I just felt like I shouldn't be there. And it wasn't an imposter syndrome thing. I knew that I belonged there from an intellectual standpoint because I I worked really hard and I'm really smart and I could do the work, but it it didn't feel right in my soul. It didn't feel like the right place. I couldn't use my natural skills there. You know, I was playing a role. I and I made the decision to go to law school to one, find safety in the world and two, to be acceptable to other people and to feel like I had worth and value. At the time I didn't know why I was doing it, right? But I can look back and be like, oh, I made that choice because it made me feel better about myself, to feel more accomplished because people respected me more and they gave me more value and worth, right? Like I didn't realize that I was looking for that. Um, and so at one point I said, okay, I don't want to do this the rest of my life, but I don't know what I want to do. And I couldn't figure it out. And I was like, what are my interests? So I'm like, well, my interests are thinking about why we exist, right? And this was 14 years ago before all of this spiritual content came up on Instagram, right? It's crazy how much has changed even in the last 10 years for what the collective is focusing on and what is available to everyone. Um anyway, so I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I was doing photography on the side for fun. And I didn't think about it as a career, but one day I was sitting in my office, this beautiful office on the 30th floor, and I had this really beautiful view, you know, and I was like looking around and my diploma was on the wall, and I was like, what am I doing here? I was like, this is not my like, I am not gonna live my entire life in this room. And I just got up and I it was so clear to me in that moment that I was not meant to be there. And so I got up and I walked down to the partner's office, my partner's office, and I said, I resign. Which is like such a wild thing to do.

Speaker 1: 7:27

That is that's wild, like just to like to know that strongly and to make that's like okay, I I'll let you keep going, but yeah, I'm I'm like I got goosebumps on that one.

Speaker: 7:37

Yeah, so I just me too, just retelling the story. And I didn't have any doubt that I was leaving this very secure job, and I wasn't exactly sure what I was gonna do, but maybe I would do photography full time. And that was it. And and the partner was like, Well, what are you gonna do? And I was like, Well, I'm gonna be a photographer, and it's not that photography was calling to me, but it felt like a bridge to something else, and that is what was available to me at the time. And so a month I went home that day, actually, and told my husband, and he was like, Oh, okay, I guess we're doing this now. Um, but I just did it, and it's been 14 years now since I've been self-employed. And when I first left, I I was practicing law on my own, helping other creative professionals get their businesses started. And then I was also building a photography business. And then I did end up having a photography studio in that kind of one out, and I have been doing that full time until the last 10 years when I said I went on this spiritual and healing journey. And as I was healing my conditioned self, as I was understanding my empathic nature, as I was understanding my people-pleasing tendencies, my need, I was outsourcing my worthiness. I was had a really hard time communicating boundaries because I was scared about rocking the boat. I think it's very typical for women, especially, um, to be taught to be quiet, to to just be pretty and sit there. We don't want you causing any trouble, right? Like that's a very ingrained uh belief system. Luckily, I feel the women coming up now, because I'm in my 40s, the women coming up now, I feel like they're they're healing out of that very fast. I feel like there's a lot that's resolving from that quickly. But from my generation and older, also, there's a there, it's very ingrained very deeply. And also, I was healing my codependency. And so when you are empathic by nature and you sense what's happening around you without clarity or understanding or a lens for why you're feeling it, and then you have some situations where you are either rejected or your needs weren't met, or this is for me, or it seemed like my needs were too much or too deep, or I was too emotional, or all of these things, you start to learn that your needs are secondary. So you pay attention to everybody else first, and then you decide how you're going to act and what you're going to say in response, right? That's really what codependency is that your behavior, your feelings, your actions are dependent on other people and their state of being. And so when I started unwinding all of these things, and I started having more clarity over my own beliefs and my own thoughts and my own values and what I knew that I deserved and what I wanted to create, what was being called to create, you know, come forth. That's really when I started to see how intuition has played a huge role in my entire life, but I wasn't able to clearly filter it before I was in my healing process. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 11:28

It does make sense. And I think that you tell the story with such clarity. I think that, you know, looking back on it now, with the awareness that you have, I think that it's a journey that so many women who are, you know, our age-ish, give or take, maybe like 10 years, um, you know, they we follow the this like map, you know, it's just like a roadmap that we're handed at some point, but we don't realize it and we just follow it because of our conditioning, right? Like what's the next, what's the next thing that we're supposed to do? Well, I don't know, let me like check the map. Like if somebody says that I'm gonna be worth more if I make more money, so like let me try to make more money, or somebody says that I'm gonna be doing the right thing if I start to have kids now. And like it's never um we weren't conditioned to like look inward to to like make our decisions, and so yeah, I mean, that's um I'm still and I'm still stuck on the fact that like you literally like you had that intuitive pull in that office building. I don't know if you knew that that's what it was at that time, but like like I wouldn't have had the courage to act on something like that in the moment. And so I'm interested in hearing a little bit more about like what that moment, like looking back now through your like lens of today, like what do you think was going on from an intuitive standpoint?

Speaker: 12:59

Yeah, yeah, you know, I I really felt suffocated. And when we have to fit into like a preconceived notion of who we're supposed to be when we're playing a role, and we're not able to be authentic in the role, and we're not able, I just keep coming back to the fact that I have this natural skill set that is very strong and valuable, but it's a soft skill set, it's this interpersonal, deeply aware, emotional intelligence, this energetic state. I feel things very energetically. Um, all of that was so natural to me, but I had no way of turning that into a career or a job, or it wasn't something I could even label or identify. It just felt suffocating. It felt like I wasn't me. And so when I say I didn't fit, because someone else was like, oh, imposters, and I was like, no, it's not, it was like I literally didn't belong there because I wasn't able to be myself. I was just playing a role. And because I'm very careful about about how I talk about it, um, I still am close friends with a lot of the lawyers that I used to work with, right? Like there's nothing wrong with that profession in itself, right? I mean, there's a lot of stress and negativity that happens, but there's it's a really important job, and people need really good lawyers. Okay. So I'm very careful. I don't want to place like any sort of negativity on it, but it was really me personally. I knew that I would not be able to fully experience myself being in that world. And I also realized I don't like being told what to care about. For me, that's something actually that runs really, really deep. And I didn't realize it. Um, but there are things that go along with not just showing up for work, but oh, you have to be in the community and you have to be on on these boards and you have to go to these types of events, you know, like all this stuff. It basically runs your entire life. And then you you live such a small percentage at home, right? Like you spend so many hours working and doing all of these things. And then, and I and I keep saying, you know, I was existential, but I was like, God, I'm just gonna like spend all of my life working and then to buy like to earn money to buy stuff, and then I'm gonna just die. Like it just felt very empty. And so in that, in that space, I can say that all aspects of me were trying to like come come to the surface, right? Like, pay attention to me, pay attention to your suffering right now, pay attention to the fact that you're so unhappy every day and you don't know why. Like, pay, pay attention to me. It's like all of these things that kept popping up. And then finally, it just all came together and it was like, this is just not the place for you.

Speaker 1: 16:15

Wow, yeah. I I relate to that so much, and I think that um, and I know what you mean when you like it's not it's not for me, it wasn't about like the external world either. You know, I I have a similar journey where I was like, I built this whole life around a real estate practice, and then for me, I was searching for more, and so I built like a bricks and mortar indoor play space business in my community, and it was just um how the work was set up, the the work itself that I was doing, and how it didn't allow for my expansion. And so I felt like I was just like living inside a box. And every time I would like start to grow out of that box, you know, just like get pushed back in almost. And I also think when you're an empath, as you said, I'm I am empathic as well. I think that a lot of people in our generation weren't raised to value emotion. We were raised to suppress emotion, and so you know, all of our stories are different, but I know um, like for me, that like seeing my empathic nature as a skill, it was never something that I like was even within the realm of possibility. If anything, it was like um maybe like a burden. It was like yeah, it was something that I had to monitor and manage and quiet within myself because like there was no value in the world for that, but also it just made me too much, you know, it just made me um irrational or like I was overreacting, you know. So yeah, I think that that I think that conditioning is really strong, but it's really cool that you were able to like listen to your intuition. Mine spoke loudly and I ignored it and I ended up with you know a chronic illness because of it, which is just, you know, it's how it goes. But um yeah, I think that's just it's a whole other story. But I wanna I want to ask you about like how your journey has led to where you are today, because before, before we started recording, we were talking just about like everything from like, you know, intuition and having that inner guide, inner guide to like nervous system regulation and how it's all related. And I think that's just I talk about it a lot, but I think it's so important for people to understand the interconnectedness. So I'd love to just like for you to just like give us an idea of what it is that you do and like how did you go from photography to to where you are today?

Speaker: 18:50

Okay, so I get I love talking about all of this. I get very excited. So the the way that happened as I went on my journey and I started to experience all these different ideas and lineages and and um direct experiences because I've always been into meditation. I actually started meditating in college. I feel very blessed because I was having a lot of anxiety and I went to the school counseling center, and they put me with this doctor who was this was 25, seven years ago. Okay, so aging myself, but it was a long time ago, and there was a doctor there who was studying neuroscience. She was like one of the first people to start studying neuroscience and how our thoughts impact how we feel and our actions that we take. And she taught me and a group of us how to do self-hypnosis, which is um really, really amazing and fascinating. It's like a deep form of meditation, and you're basically using your imagination to go down to a place, like you put yourself into hypnosis, and then you I won't share all the details, but you go to this place basically and you run whatever programs you want to run. So if you want to be happier, more relaxed, you know, like all this stuff. And so I started doing that in college. And so by the time I got to my spiritual and healing journey, I was meditating a lot when I learned about it's interesting because when I was talking before about, you know, when you start exercising, there are all these things. The way I, my first step into spirituality and my healing was through intuition. I I was reading a book and um it basically was about mediumship, which is interesting. But it I had no interest in mediumship. It was just a friend suggested, oh, why don't you read this book? And through that book, I realized that I was an intuitive empath, that I can feel things energetically, and that that was a thing that happens, right? That it was a thing that people knew about and it was out there in the world. And I said, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna explore that. And so one of the very first things I did was took an intuitive reading class. So I learned how to do intuitive readings. So this was like the very first thing that I that I started exploring. And then I went into all what they would call shadow work and healing and understanding myself. And through all of that, I felt freedom for the first time in my life. I one of the things earlier when I said I had the dark night of the soul, I had a traumatic situation happened. I was down on my knees and I asked, What do I do? Like, help me. I need help. And the answer was learn to love yourself. And this was long before it was like all over Instagram. Cause I feel, I feel like I need to say that because self-love on Instagram, I think it's important, but also is a little bit not always exactly on point, right? So yeah. Um, and that trend kind of came and went already, right? Like people don't even talk about it, like it came, it was real big, everyone's talking about it, and now it's like not as big anymore, right? I think it's so interesting how that happens. But I was like, well, how do you do that? What does that mean? And so I started exploring all the ways in which I didn't love myself. And this is where my shadow work came from was why don't I love myself? Where do I judge myself? Where do I reject myself? Where do I find myself worth? And and through all of that work and my understanding of intuition, and then I'm also just very curious. And I have explored quantum physics and um neuroscience, and and I have studied Kriya yoga and um that lineage and have done those meditations and practices and had all of these really amazing mystical experiences. And so how I got here exactly was I also my whole life had been searching for purpose. What is my purpose? What is it? Like, even when I was like, okay, law is in it, and I left that photography. I really love photography because I love being self-employed. I love freedom. I love connecting with people in a positive way, I love creating art. Um, I love providing a service for people that will impact them for their life. You know, they're gonna have those portraits for a long time. But I knew it wasn't, I still, even when I was making great money photography, and I was like, this still isn't it, right? Like this still isn't it. And I just kept searching and searching, searching. And then as I was uncovering myself, like as the conditioning started to melt away, as the layers were opening, as I was more in tune with myself, accepting of myself, finding that inner peace, understanding what the my intuitive messages were telling me. That's when I was like, aha, this is it. This is exactly why I'm here, is to do transformational work with people to help them walk through their own inner journey and also from an energetic space, because I feel things very energetically. So it's a combination of transformation, energy work, and also helping people find their inner voice. So this is really what my entire life has been about is finding my inner voice and living from that space. And so that's what really it all it's a journey. It's all a journey. It's like one step at a time, and and you learn and you heal and you learn and you heal and you expand. And then you're like, I'm here. And I'm still a student teacher, right? Teacher student. There's always more to learn, there's always more to experience, there's always more to grow. But now I'm doing it from a play, like an anchored place inside of myself and not living for the out external world.

Speaker 1: 25:04

Isn't it funny how when you go on a journey like that, there's like, I like to call it like the messy middle, but where you have to almost just like sit. And as I'm hearing you talk about your photography business, I'm feeling like that sort of thing, where like the layers, like it just everything has to fall away because you're not, you can't like reconnect with yourself, with your intuition, with whatever purpose is for you until you let the layers fall away. And like you can't force the process. It's it's I mean, to have a guide through the process is probably way easier than not, right? To be able to walk hand in hand with somebody who can like tell you that you're doing the right things because I think sometimes you're just you there's an element of just sitting in it and and there's ways to go deeper, but like I don't know. It's like it's just this patience that you have to sit with as well while you and courage to like to go inward.

Speaker: 26:00

But yes, yeah, absolutely. There's so much about trusting and having faith in the process and knowing that all will be revealed to you in the absolute divine right timing for you. And um, it's interesting because I have, I know I can talk about this, but there's so many ups and downs, right? Like I have experienced many ups and downs where I've been really confused and even like, God, I wish I wasn't like this. God, I wish I could just play the game. God, I wish I had stopped thinking about all the, you know, like there are have been times I'm like, why can't I just be asleep? Like the people who are asleep seem fine, you know, like go back in that box.

Speaker 1: 26:43

I've asked myself that too. I'm like, it would just be easier to like stuff myself back in and be happy there, but but it just naturally is not my way, you know, it's not your way.

Speaker: 26:54

Um, so there it's interesting because you you have to to know, and it's it's not an end game, is what I'm trying to say. It is absolutely about the process, and it's about the person that you become in the process. It's not, oh, I've reached my final destination. I now understand my purpose, game over, I'm done seeking. It's it's not like that at all. It's like, oh, I finally have found the thing that allows my light to be fully expressed. And I a hundred percent accept myself in this full expression. And so now I'm here to do that work, right? And then you step into that person who is doing that work, and then we'll just see what happens as we go along, right? Because there's always expansion. The universe is not stagnant, it is always expanding, right? And so are you it's interesting too because the idea of intuition is all about expansion, it's about resonance, and you're really looking for that inner alignment where you follow the expansion and the resonance. That's really what intuition is to me. I don't have you heard of that book, E Squared. I've seen it, I haven't read it. Okay. So there's this really cool activity in it, and you take hangers and you straighten them out, and you have a little handle on them and you straws. You can actually just use dousing rods if you have dousing rods, but for everyday people who don't have dousing rods in their home, you just take wire hangers and you straighten them out, and then you cut um a straw, and you basically have handles and and they can move freely within the straw. Does that make sense? Can you visualize what that looks like? They're kind of like an L shape with like a really long Okay.

Speaker 1: 28:52

Okay, keep describing. I'll tell you that um people listening will be visual. I'm a non-visual person with aphantasia. So yeah, I don't see things here, but please continue because other people will.

Speaker: 29:04

Okay. So it's basically looks like an L shape, has this really long um side that sticks out away from you, and then like a shorter side that you hold in the straws closer to you. So they're like pointing out away from you. Okay.

Speaker 1: 29:16

Yeah.

Speaker: 29:17

And when you hold them straight out in front of you parallel to each other, okay. Um, and then you close your eyes and you think a negative thought, you just hold a negative thought in your mind and they will move towards each other and they close. So it's a contraction. And then you you clear them and you hold them again in front of you parallel, and then you think a positive thought, and then they open to the side, and it's an expansion. And it is fascinating because people who are like, Well, I don't understand how we're energetic, I don't understand the idea of frequency, I don't understand the idea of like vibration, I don't understand how that all works. This is such a clear, concrete example of how positive and And negative thoughts impact our field. And the field is the area around us, our energetic, like we're all energetic beings, and we project out around us, right? And so we have this field, our field around us, and then there's the collective energetic field. And our field interacts with the collective field. And that interaction is where we find our intuitive information because it's informing our bodies of what's in alignment and what's not in alignment. Like we can feel the difference. So, you know how we um, as humans, we have this body and we have our senses, our sight, our sound, or our hearing, our smell, our touch, you know, all of our senses. And if we did not have those senses, the physical world would not exist for us. It is the only way that we have proof that there is a physical world is through our senses. And so all day long we're taking in information, what we see, what we smell, what we hear, what we feel, all day long, all day long. Right. And then the nervous system takes in all this information and it makes a decision about it. Is this safe or is this dangerous? That's literally the main purpose of our brain, our body, and our nervous system is to decide if we are safe or if we are in danger, because its sole purpose is to keep us alive, right? Like as a species, they biologically, our DNA, right? We want to stay alive. And so our mind then processes the information and then makes a decision about it, right? And that's when we have these thoughts, like, oh, this isn't safe or this is safe. But what happens with intuition is when you start to really understand how information is processed in your body through the nervous system, when you start and emotional intelligence is so huge. Like I love spirituality, and that's the lens through which I see and which I speak. But emotional intelligence in itself is the most important part of healing and evolution for every single person. I don't care what religion you are, what spiritual beliefs you have, if you're an atheist, the most important part of your personal inner journey is emotional intelligence and awareness. So that's like, I feel so strongly about this.

Speaker 1: 32:45

I I'm so I'm just like listening to you saying that because it's like, it's, I believe the same thing, and it's just validating to hear somebody else. So, like, you know, just because like so many people aren't taught to process emotions, and we're doing better teaching young people about that, but they get stuck in the body because we see them as a threat. When we feel an emotion, our body is like, this is a threat, you're not supposed to feel this. And we become dysregulated and emotion gets stuck in our bodies. And yeah, so yeah, I mean, I I agree with you 10,000 percent. I think that yeah.

Speaker: 33:16

Yeah, so I can go to like the mo the furthest esoteric thoughts that you want to go to, I can have a conversation about them. And I used to go, like when I was talking about my meditations, and I used to have these really intense meditation journeys and um mystical experiences, and then I would have to come back to my body and be like, oh, I'm still here in this world, and now I have to live this life still, you know, like there's there's this there's a point where some spiritual exploration becomes escapism where you're like, I'm trying to find an answer to my suffering and I would like to escape my life, right? And you think it's a positive thing because you're like, oh, but I'm spiritual now. But really, if you're not doing the inner work, if you're not doing the emotional work and you're not understanding your own triggers and you're not understanding your own reactions, and you're not understanding your own behaviors, then you're you're not you're doing yourself a disservice. And even though I absolutely love to explore all of those ideas about consciousness and um just all of the crazy ideas that are out there, I'm so curious about all of them. But the idea and well, the purpose is that we are human. Like we are human for a reason. There's a reason why we are these infinite beings, this infinite consciousness that's shoved into a body in this physical form, right? Like there's a reason why we are here, and if we do not focus on being human, then you're missing the point, right? The I think it's so interesting when we talk about the sages and the yogis and and the monks, and they all go live in in monasteries or the yogis who go live in caves because they didn't want to deal with the chaos of being human. They they didn't want to be in the world, they wanted to be in themselves in their connection with the divine. And that's great because they can teach us what they learn, but also the idea is to be human. And you we do live in this world, right? Like we we are here co-creating with eight billion people. And you know, I asked um I asked chat the other day. I was like, what's the estimate for how many people have been alive on earth? And it's like a hundred and twenty billion people or something is the estimate that they estimate, you know, that has been alive at some point on this earth, right? And so you cannot tell me that the point is to escape it, you know. But but the thing is, is that we we need to escape our conditioning and our programming. And it's not escaping it, it's understanding it and then and really allowing those layers to to really just fall away and open so that we can access our true selves beneath all of the programming and the conditioning and our fears and and all of that stuff. So that's why for me, I part of the work that I do with people is emotional intelligence, is is understanding all of that stuff. And sometimes it's like, this is the work that you have to do to get to the experience that you want to have, which is peace in the mind and love in the heart, right? That's really like what most people want to experience. And you have to go that through that process to get there.

Speaker 1: 36:48

Yeah. Yeah. I think that the um, I think like both of it is important. I think that at the heart of it, like you're saying, peeling away the conditioning and finding ourselves and connecting with the deepest, truest parts of ourselves is like what it's all about. I think like chakra work has helped me frame it and like and healing is like a mind, body, soul, you know, right approach where like you can't ignore an either spectrum of it, right? Like connecting with something bigger than yourself is really important, knowing that like you're, you know, we are part of a collective and knowing that um, you know, when we do elevate our like frequency and and where we're living, like we're able to live from a place of love, but at the same time, you have to stay grounded, you have to do that like root chakra type work where you're like putting, you know, your two feet into the earth and just like being in your physical body because you're right, we can't. I think either if you spend too much time on either spectrum, you get too focused on that spectrum, right? Like, I totally agree with you you focus on your roots, you forget that you're connected, you focus on the spirituality too much, and you forget your roots. And I think either of those can create a lot of inner dissonance. Right.

Speaker: 38:03

Yeah, but it's about coherence. It's about coherence.

Speaker 1: 38:07

Yeah.

Speaker: 38:08

And so that was kind of what I was getting at when I said, okay, so we take all this information through our body, and then we decode the information, and we decode the information through our level of emotional intelligence and awareness. So that's why I was like, you have to be able to understand all of your, you know, like how you work and all of those things about yourself, so that the information that you receive isn't a projection of your story, but actual like a clear interpretation of what you're receiving from the outside. So when you start to heal your traumas, and I don't mean trauma, I mean yes, traumatic situations, but what I mean is every single situation that we've had as a human, our body has categorized and there's like a library in there about what it means, right? There's like a meaning attached to it, like you were saying before someone comes in, am I scared? Am I not scared? You know, like there's this um category of how your body, like how how you've so far interpreted your experiences in reality, right? And you have this whole library inside of your body. So when you start to realize, oh, well, there's actually not something wrong with me. Well, I had this belief there was something wrong with me, but actually there's not anything wrong with me. It was just, I was, I actually just had this experience. I'll tell you about it really quick. Um, I was going through these old boxes from when I was a kid and I found this journal that my mom kept when I was a baby, like the first 18 months. And it was like a daily journal, like for breastfeeding and all those things that you track when you have a baby. And I was a very sick baby. I they didn't know, but I was allergic to milk. And so um at my first year, I was sick a lot. I had stomach digestion issues, I cried a lot. Um, and they didn't know what was wrong with me. And that was actually written in the journal. I don't know what's wrong with her, right? And I I literally had this narrative my entire life that there's something wrong with me, right? And it's when I saw that, I was like, wow, everything made such complete sense. And it wasn't that there was something wrong with like who I am as a being, right? But that there was something physically wrong with me. I was physically sick and they didn't know why, and it caused them a lot of distress. And it was, you know, it was very stressful. And it it basically immediately my story rewrote itself from this new evidence and from this new perspective that I had. And so this is what I mean by when you start to have more interaction with your inner voice that comes through under your stories and under your programming. And they're like, oh, oh, wait, I can hear myself now. Like, I'm no longer just hearing my stories, I'm no longer just hearing my programming, I'm no longer looking outside of myself for answers. I can like hear myself now. That this like chaos and noise that that we pick up through life starts to settle a little bit around us. We're like, okay, I can I can sift through all this now to know that what I'm hearing is actually my own inner voice and not and and like my inner voice from from my higher consciousness, you know. And then if you want to take it one step further, it's all a spectrum from being intuitive to being psychic, right? It's just all on this energetic spectrum. And so because our emotions are energy, right? Like I was saying, the positive and the negative, everything we think and believe impacts our energetic state. And as we interact with the environment, this is how we're able to feel if something's in alignment or in resonance or not. And you can go even further then. And the more you fine-tune your nervous system, and what's happening in the nervous system is it categorizes and um keeps a memory of all of your like fight or flight moments and all the things that bring you fear and all of these things that bring you safety. What happens is you start to heal these things, you have more, there's more clear movement in your system, right? This is when you have stability in your system and there's more energy that can cycle through more clearly. You're not getting stuck in an area. This is why the chakra work is actually really important for this, because there are chakras that are that are more blocked than others or more open than others, and it has to do with our beliefs and it has to do with our energy in those areas. And so the more you bring that all into alignment, coherence, then the energy can move freely and the circuits come on board, and you have more of a clear, stable field. I mean, this is like what the HeartMath Institute does, they they study heart rate variability and how it impacts your electromagnetic field as it expands from your heart and circles around you, and that's the field that interacts with the greater consciousness field, greatest, you know, the greater information field. And when you heal all these things and you are able to live from a more compassionate, loving understanding. And then this is where also we connect to that where you are saying that, well, it was important that we do both, right? Be in the world, but know our infinite, our infinite nature, right? To know that we are all connected beyond this physical reality, right? When you then bring that into your heart and you have that awareness and you can really your your heart is in that very peaceful, loving, expanded, connected to your infinite nature state, that is when your nervous system expands to take in more sensory information. So this is where you can handle more sensory information to guide you in your life. This is where you become more intuitive and down the road, like more psychic. And this is actually how, in my belief, how we get to telepathy is the more expanded your nervous system is, the more you can reach beyond. Because, you know, we only see a very narrow band of within the light spectrum, and we only hear within a normal or very small band of what you know, the sound. I don't have all the technical scientific terms for all that, but you know what I mean. So like we we we are very narrow in our understanding of physical reality based on what our bodies can perceive. And so when you start to bring your nervous system and your heart and your mind into this coherent state, then you expand your nervous system, can hold more information, more sensory perception. And that's when you become even more intuitive and like more psychic down like the road. And also just one more thing, sorry, is um intuition for me is about an internal system, internal guide. I think a lot of people are like, oh, I want to be intuitive so I can like predict when events happen, or like, you know, I want to know some mystical information and talk to aliens or like whatever it is, totally fine. But I think people miss the point is that intuition is actually like our internal guidance system. It's like our soul speaking to us through our heart and about like what's what's our path. So it's speaking to us through our heart, so it's an internal process, but it can be then externalized also, if that's like just where your path is and like where you're going and um what is what you're being called to experience.

Speaker 1: 46:20

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay, I I love everything you said, and as you're getting to the end and you're talking about like telepathy and all of that, and it's I'm like, oh my gosh, I could just keep talking to you for like you know an hour longer about all of this, but I feel like we um I feel like we need to have another conversation at some point about like a continuation of uh yeah, just where where like what intuition leads to. Because I think you're I think you're so right. I think that like everything that we've talked about here is like I don't, it's it's so important to get to to have people turn inward to find that inner guidance, right? And then it's like once you get there, the the possibilities that it opens just for yourself as like, you know, being able to make better decisions and follow your purpose and you know, following your guide. But then yeah, I mean, I think that there's there's a path that it can lead to that can be just really cool to explore. So okay, if you had a piece of advice for somebody who is like, well, I don't know if I'm connected to my intuition or not. Like, what would be like one start? I know there's like a thousand, but like what's one starting point for them to start to like tune inward?

Speaker: 47:36

The most important thing is to spend time with yourself without sensory input. And this is very hard for most people. And um even when people go to meditate and they might have a guided meditation on or they might have some binaural beats going or what like literally be in silence with yourself. Nature is amazing for this. Go take a walk in the woods, leave your phone in the car, do not play music, do not listen to a podcast. Spend as much time as you can with yourself without sensory input of other people. And electronics are actually, you know, that's a whole nother conversation, but they provide a lot of noise for our system. Okay. So the more you can spend, this is interesting. I woke up in the middle of the night, I don't know, two months ago, and the power was out, and this like the whole neighborhood was out. Silence. And you don't realize how often you don't hear silence until you hear it, and it is so expansive when you're in complete and total silence, because we don't realize that we have the hum, the hum of so much electronics and technology around us all of the time. And when it turns off, I actually it was in the middle of the night, if you know, between 3 and 5 a.m. is when we are a lot of people wake up at that time to meditate because it's when it's the clear signal that comes through. And so it was during that time, and so I was kind of already in that state, that brainwave state where you're kind of half awake, half asleep, where a lot of cool stuff happens. And so I started meditating and um I I raised my vibration. There's this process that I go through, and I got to the point where I could hear high-pitched sound in my ear. Like I could hear it. And I don't know if you know anything about the ohm sound that that's the sound of the universe. And and I was like, that's it. I heard it. And you know how I heard it was by removing all of the other sound.

Speaker 1: 49:52

Wow. Yeah, that's a magical time. I I people think I'm crazy. I wake up most days at four and I can never like full. You just you explained it really well why it works. It's like to me, it's like it's just the point where like it's the most quiet and I can hear myself the most and connect with the universe. And yeah, that's amazing. That's beautiful. Well, thank you. Thank you, thank you for being with me today. And I can't wait to have you back on so we can continue this conversation. Yeah. Um, the show notes will have all of the information on how people can find you. And I just thank you so much for joining me.

Speaker: 50:29

Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed this conversation.

Speaker 1: 50:34

All right, guys, there you have it. I hope you enjoyed this conversation. If you are interested in connecting with Rebecca, she offers one-to-one coaching among some other really cool offerings. Um, all of her contact info will be in the show notes. All right, see you next week.